In Trump’s final days, a rush of federal executions - Page 3

First off, if one does not want abortion used at birth control, then make sure birth control is accessible and free and while we are at it, 100% effective. Most abortions are sought by a woman who used birth control properly and it.....failed..... Before anyone gets upset, how many know which medications decrease the effectiveness of hormonal birth control, they are common medications.....What stops unwanted unplanned pregnancies is effective accessible affordable or free birth control with a comprehensive education.

One of the most effective ways to reduce unwanted or unplanned pregnancies is COMPREHENSIVE ACCURATE sex ed that includes birth control methods and how to use them properly, bodily health and what to expect at a medical exam, teaching children how to say no and how to accept no, in many cases by role playing.  Teach children each one is responsible for their OWN actions, behaviors, etc.  Teach children their bodies are their own, NO ONE is allowed to touch them (with exception of immediate danger) without their permission, that includes Uncle Joe tickling, or Aunt Mary kissing and pinching cheeks, and so on, no excuses of "oh it is just Uncle Joe having some fun", or it's just Uncle Joe playing", or "Aunt Jean loves you just give her a kiss", "why are you being so difficult", and so on. Teach adults to LISTEN to children.  Many times children don't know what to say or are intimidated so teaching them scripts, what to say, how to act is so helpful and listening to them is ultra important.

Another very important area that needs addressing is the horrible maternal mortality and morbidity rates the United States has.  We are the WORST of all modern countries and have the embarrassing honor of being the ONLY country where the numbers of women dying from childbirth or being permanently injured keep climbing.  Minority women are at a 3-5 times greater risk from maternal mortality and morbidity.  Childbirth is the only time where physical and sexual assault is accepted under the guise of medical care and treatment regardless of whether the woman wanted that particular treatment.  A woman literally risks her life and health when going to the hospital for childbirth.

Now back to the OP.  Trump's rush to execute as many as he can before he is forced out.  One word, CRUELTY, that sums up Trump's actions.  I am against the death penalty, the number of convictions overturned is concerning, up to 10% of all convictions are found to be wrongful years later.  Evidence withheld, witnesses intimidated, rush to judgment, and so on.  Too bad there isn't some device that would force the perpetrator to feel both physically and emotionally, what their victims felt, humans and animals.  If a perpetrator were to face feeling every single second of what each one of his/her victims endured physically and emotionally, how many crimes would be committed?

Mindhunt, if you killed one of my loved ones, my child, my mother, etc, you will die, its just that you are lucky enough to die at the hands of the State...
The device you are looking for exists, its called passing a law that says you will be executed in EXACTLY the same way you killed your victim, exactly...now you can wonder how many crimes would be committed.

The reason the UK did away with the death penalty was that too many studies had shown that hanging, electrocution, whatever, did not stand as a real deterrent for those committing murders. If somebody gets into a homicidal mood, they do not consider what could happen to them : they suffer from that same human delusion that causes so many to suffer being ill, or being conned - that "its not going to happen to them". Or that they are somehow immune to being caught by LE. The penalty being dropped was not about a few protests from people untouched by murders advocating clemency.

Since those who coldly plan (often serial) killings are clearly psychotic or otherwise psychologically compromised, and most other murder is committed in the heat & 'passion' of the moment, what may happen to the killer 'later on' becomes irrelevent to them, they are not deterred. I very much doubt if most of the murderers who ever thought that homicide was a solution spend much time after they are jailed, thinking maybe they should not have taken that route. Except in so far as if they did not do it they would not have gotten caught; only a few seem to sincerely regret what they did, or the effect it had on other people around the disceased. The way to achieve that result more often seems to hinge on the counselling & re-education being available to prisoners, on or off Death Row - and again, right-wing policies would usually be dictating LESS of those sorts of facilities ...

Given there's no, or exceedingly little, deterrence involved, we are just left with revenge. Two killings don't make a right. When does 'forgiveness' [in the Christian mode] get put on hold ? If, in this atmosphere, judicial execution continues, so do the chances of miscarriages of justice. I'd prefer not to see anyone else put to death when there was doubt about their mental capabilities, or because there wasn't a forensic way of proving innocence available at that time (its too late, ten years of scientific development down the line, if your accused is dead).

Hund, I am not here to judge peoples mind sets or how they were raised or if the TV told them to walk into a school and kill 30 innocent kids.
What I can tell you is that people who live to destroy and kill and rape and commit crimes such as those do not deserve to live, end of as far as I am concerned.
I am not here to change your mind or persuade you, I am simply telling you how I feel about people like that.

Personally I feel the death penalty is too 'easy'. Yes, they do deserve to die if they've taken a life, but I think they should suffer first ! They should be taken to some 'testing' centre and replace the animals ! Not only would they suffer but the 'results' would be more accurate than testing on animals ! Am I being a bit over the top 😉 . If someone hurt my loved ones I'd want to rip them to shreds myself ! Rapists should have their 'bits' removed with a blunt knife then have the 'bits' superglued to their foreheads ! Just as well I'm not in charge of the law making 😉

My thoughts are two wrongs do not make a right. And I don't think I could ever take joy in the killing of another living, sentient creature.

I DO wish Noah had swatted those mosquitoes, though... ;-)


To go back a few posts, Mindhunt, I agree totally with what you've said! And I wonder how many people know about the United State's abysmal record re. childbirth! That's why I feel the pro-life crowd are such terrible hypocrites! If you REALLY care about unborn children, maybe you should be pressuring the government to see that more women live to raise their children! But nooo, it's all about protecting the precious fetus...er, excuse me...controlling what the woman does with her body!

You are NOT pro-life, you are pro-birth. And to HECK with what happens to the child and mother afterwards!

SunSilver, anyone who could take an innocent life for no reason is a sick fuck, period, that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about someone who did that school shooting, someone who just did a home invasion and raped and murdered 3 innocent people who did nothing other than be home...How is that a "living, sentient creature"?
That is a creature that deserves to die in the exact same manner as he killed and raped and tortured those people, not get to live out his life, getting free food, free medical care, working out and we are paying for it.
There are some things I can overlook, taking innocent lives on purpose for the sole reason of making some money is not one of them.

Where some 'sick fuck' like you describe is concerned, yes, I struggle with saying that person doesn't deserve to die. But I'm a Christian, and the Ten Commandments make it very plain: Thou shalt not kill.

Which is why I started this thread in the first place, to expose the hypocricy. 

But I do understand people have different viewpoints on this. However, one thing I strongly believe is revenge is never the answer. It's what keeps the cycle of violence going. 

And that's the reason one of my personal heros is Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who founded the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa, after Aparthied was abolished:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Commission_(South_Africa)

 

SunSilver, I appreciate your religious beliefs. The old Testament did say "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".
I am not religious in the same sense as you, I do not struggle with the idea of taking the life of someone like described above. People like that and I use the word loosely, do not offer anything positive to society, they live to hurt others, others who are innocent and I cannot reconcile with that.

I'm not at all religious, although I respect those who are, sincerely, believers in any Faith. I think they are wrong to believe in fairy tales, but if they do more good than harm in this world and need their beliefs to shore that up, more power to their elbows - I would never try to stop them from being able to worship in their own ways, for instance.

But being an atheist doesn't mean I have to enjoy seeing the rank hypocrisy of many who claim to be Christians (and it IS mainly 'Christians', rarely people of other Faiths) but then do everything in their power to make life as restrictive and unpleasant and miserable as possible for those who do not agree with them on something / anything. Particularly when that is extended into political campaigning. So I will always try to comment to expose that.

I think the Death Penalty is a separate issue, although with some overlap.  I do realise that for many people - whatever they do or do not believe in terms of theocracy - the overriding feeling of hatred for anybody who has killed, or even hurt, somebody they love makes forgiveness very difficult. Some victims families DO manage it however; and they are usually people of strong Faith. So I admire them.  Maybe if I'd had a family member murdered I would struggle with that forgiveness too.  That does not negate what I said about executions however - the studies into the area of deterrance are genuine, not something just I fancy believing !  And there HAVE been far too many judicial killings over the years where someone later shown to be innocent was hung or fried, and you can't get away from that by saying "Well MOST of them deserved it ..."

 

I am not out to change anyone's p.o.v. by the way HD, just making my own thoughts on these issues clear to anyone who cares to read them. I can hope they might make people THINK where before they had just 'accepted', but what you want to believe is up to you, not me & noone else.  I have often been told what I think and believe; or what I should  think / believe, by posters on here who think they know better than me what is inside my head - so its good to have discussions like this while we are being polite and reasonable with each other, even when we do not agree with each other; makes a lovely change, so TY folks !