Titling a dog overseas - Page 2

Here's a link to the test on Youtube, not a GSD but shows you the test in its' entirety. There are 8 separate videos, 1 for each part... https://youtu.be/Jq3vKl6cmnU

Shawn, I would suggest getting with a club that offers one on one with owner and their dog. There is a guy up the mountain who was a pet/problem dog trainer before he ever attempted sch. He trained and titled his first pup (which he got from me) by learning from the sch club trainer one on one.

 His second dog, a senior pup he also got from me, he has trained and titled all the way to ipo3.

Keep your dog with you, get trained yourself along with your dog. It works best that way. 

From a first timer who bought an untrained dog with certified hips and elbows who I trained, got our BH and is now ready for IPO-1, I can tell you this. For all the work this has been and will continue, It has been the toughest yet most rewarding lifetime experience anyone can ever have with a dog. Choose your partner carefully and it will be an exhausting yet incredible experience of a lifetime.
And to think....6 months ago I was so proud of a BH...LOL

Holland? IPO or KNPV? For what?

For the name of the title, or because of lack of time?
In case you are interested in the "title only", you won´t get any breedings only because of a title - too many titled dogs out there...
In case it´s lack of time I´d think about selling/donating the dog in question to someone who does have the time for this dog.

I have been around "oversea" training dogs for a lot of years, I was resonsible for the show ratings, sometimes trained a dog by myself ( "real" training in open club settings ) - for the trainer it´s a job, in the best case it´s fun, and most dogs bonded pretty fast - no real problems.

Problems arise when the "well socialized" dog is afraid of strangers and / or strange surroundings, when the "prey driven" dog isn´t interested in prey at all, or when the "totally stable" dog is afraid of gun shots...( at least one of the 3 points I mentioned happened all too often ).
At that point the trainer does have a big problem - and the owner, when called and told about the problems, doesn´t understand...( because his/her dog was never really tested outside it´s own property, most owners who send their dogs away for training know nothing about temperament and drive ).
Now "reality" kicks in - the owner wants a titled dog, because he already paid a lot of money for the flight, "giving up" and "sending back" no option - the trainer has to deal with this dog now...

So never forget: in most cases you will get what you paid for - a "titled dog" able to compete on club level with a club helper, not more, not less, no guarantee for a good performance with you, or with a strange helper on a strange field...that´s different training, something you should do by yourself - better for your dog, better for you.

Just a sidenote: in case someone wants to participate on the American Siegershow he should invest the money in a trainer willing to fly back with the dog and do the bitework by him/herself. No trainer wants to blame himself...and you will get a honest description of the true abilities of your dog pretty fast.



All of us own dogs because we like them to be around us, in case you are not able to title your dog on your own, just do the best you can, your dog won´t mind.

Guys we aren't talking about a untrained dog here , we are talking about a 16 month old certified dual purpose dog with over the top fight drive and advance obedience . The reason why I asked is we are going to title this dog in ipo but I really wanted to possibly try a knvp title in holland after he gets his IPO1 , the dog has had advanced bite work and is 100% enviormentally unphased and would really be interesting to see him tested . But after reading all the bad experiences I don't think it's a good idea

" Has anyone ever sent a dog overseas to be titled ?"

Sorry about the confusion, but my post is still true - you will get back a "titled" dog, but you will never know what happened.

I´d try to get in touch with someone involved in KNPV ( maybe Blackmalinois is able to help - contacts, clubs, rules, requirements, the kind of training you are able to do at home ), fly over there and do it on my ( in this case "your" ) own. Then you will know.

there are few or even no KNPV trainers I know that would take on that job,and if they did the wouldnot do it without working and testing that dog themselves first,

furthermore KNPV is a longer process than a passing scores IPO1 on a dog done in a couple of months

 

There are some people in USA training KNPV and some even trained their dog in USA and flew to holland themselves to title the dog, maybe contact these people first

Thanks duke , good to know

PSA will test yr dog better than knpv and its stateside.