The Truth about Some Imported dogs!? - Page 2

GSDPACK, I understand your point, but please don't be disillusioned  with only one country.   The same thing that Bernard Flinks is saying about Germany, I heard 15 years ago about importing any dog of any working breed. It's not just country related, it's people related.

I agree with what SchHBabe is saying, but I'd also like to add that people will get screwed even with dogs they buy here in the U.S. There is plenty of belly aching about puppies/dogs purchased from domestic breeders that go sour too.

It's true about relationships - good transactions are built on them. However, there is a sucker born every minute (I've certainly been one) and plenty of scammers willing to close them.

 

Pack, you are naive indeed. That's ok; it would be nice if others were like that. But they're not.

I see this from the other POV. OF COURSE no one is going to send the good old US of A their GOOD dogs. Why? Because look what we do to them!!! From the outside looking in, would YOU sell your best dogs to the US? I wouldn't.

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that if you want a good import, you have to go though trusted friends to find you one, and then you don't tell the seller the dog is intended for export to the US. Simple.

I recently took my import female to a Sch. club so a puppy buyer could watch her do Sch. The TD said "Now let's see if she can run a blind." I stood there, dumbfounded, and said "She's titled. Of course she can run blinds." He replied "90% of imported dogs who are titled can't." YIKES!!!  How stupid are we all to keep buying overseas and believing we're getting good dogs? Not at all saying titles have anything to do with a good dog, just saying that we are often paying for titles that are not earned, and training that is not received. And we keep thinking we're getting better dogs by buying overseas and paying through the nose. THEY WILL NOT SEND US THEIR BEST UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. Just a fact. If you do not have CLOSE, PERSONAL friends who can pick a dog for you, forget it!

BTW, she ran them perfectly. They were impressed.

Jenni, ¶I am with you! I thought is was well-known that our "producing nations" treat the US like a colony and jjust take our money for their cast-offs...because they can and we let them. Some of the big importers purchase entire "lots" of cast-offs and turn around to sell them to us at gereatly marked up prices. Similarly, some of the biggest exporters are doing the same thing.. If you don't have a relationship with them, or purchase through someone that does, you are taking big chances. They keep the best, unless someone makes a deal they cannot resist--BIG bucks. It all comes down, as usual, to money.

Jenni, ¶I am with you! I thought is was well-known that our "producing nations" treat the US like a colony and jjust take our money for their cast-offs...because they can and we let them. Some of the big importers purchase entire "lots" of cast-offs and turn around to sell them to us at gereatly marked up prices. Similarly, some of the biggest exporters are doing the same thing.. If you don't have a relationship with them, or purchase through someone that does, you are taking big chances. They keep the best, unless someone makes a deal they cannot resist--BIG bucks. ¶As usual, it all comes down to money.

Yes Nia, you are correct. While I can't speak for the Czech Republic as I do not know anybody there, I do know Germans - lots of them. I know breeders in Germany who sell 90% of their puppies over here, for example. The remaining 10% are the good ones which they either keep for themselves or with friends and club members. I also know of importers here in the country who buy entire litters off of some breeders in Germany and market them up. It is too expensive to import just one pup when you calculate shipping costs. Therefore, puppies are bought in pairs or more.
There are also wellknown brokers who advertise here and on other boards. They offer young dogs who do not get titled because of bitework problems or if they do, get a SchH1 on the homefield with their own helper but will not be able to go to a breed survey which is always a regional affair and pretty public. These dogs get sold here for three times as much as they would in Germany. A dog that can not get titled in Germany often sells for about or less than a puppy price. Here in the U.S., people pay $ 3,000 to $ 4,000 for. A pretty little bonus is always to get the dog bred. Something the brokers dangle with, so the dog sells. While breeders in Germany can only breed females that are titled, the same is not true for a dog that goes into the possession of a foreign resident.
I could go on and on. I have talked to these people in Germany who sell dogs like that to foreign countries (not only the U.S.) and they smile. It is big business!
Chris

Sorry guys, 


What really stunned me was the arrogance and ignorance from the othersite of the deal. The grin and absolute fishiness and statement that USA doesn' deserve any better anyway.

Jenni to answer your post NO, I would never sell my dog. And trust me I had very nice offers for my male. 
But I put my heart and soul into this animal and no sale happening here. On the other hand I imported a puppy I GAVE to my friend to train him to get ready for streets so he can sell him and make some money. He trained him and then he gave him to a cop (friend) and this cop put some more trainig into him and he Also donated him to a different department that needed a Drug dog. I guess were are bunch of naive idiots over here, LOL

I was never trated badly by any Czech people. They know I take care of them if they don't screw me over. Couple of dogs were not the best, they were actually pretty bad, those were placed as pets for the cost of transportation. I did not charge people for the dogs (great homes).I have no ecperiences with the German import since I don't do it and I was told by some people that it is the same.

 I guess I'll remain naive, not dillusional, hell no, but naive... yes, I rather believe that people are generally good, fair and honest. I have to I would go crazy! Stupid me!. LOL

This is more warning for the people who would like to start doing this, maybe buy an older dog. Go through people who can be trusted, dont try to "save" money.
I believe there are very nice dogs here in the USA. I have seen plenty American bred working line GSDs I would buy in a heart beat.

Good day everybody, we have 42 degrees, bike ride with my dogs it is today
Pack

GSDPack, I never asked if you'd sell your dog. Where did that come from???

Nia, yep. It's all about money if you know the right people, and if you don't, well, then you're entirely screwed, lol.

I openly admit I paid a lot of money for my female- you get what you pay for. I paid them to keep her until she was old enough to Koer, and old enough to get her adult show rating (at a REAL show- judged by a well-known judge and where other dogs actually attended!) I also paid for her to get her title that she was oh-so-close to, and it's a REAL title; she's been worked here and works very very well. Then, I paid to have her taken to a stud and bred. If she had been proven, I bet they wouldn't have sold her to me at all, actually. I lucked out and have a great friend who arranged for me to get her. He was told by the people who found her that if I wasn't a good friend, they'd have kept her and bred her until she couldn't breed anymore. She's a good dog and I paid for it- was she worth it? Hell yes. She's one of those dogs that I think if I got another female, I'd be disappointed b/c she wouldn't measure up to Capri.

I laugh at the people who tell me they imported their dog for half what I paid. I'm sure their dog is just phenomenal, LMAO. I see it like this; if you want true quality, it's gonna cost you. If you try to do it half-assed and save money, you're going to pay half what you would've, but you're going to get a dog that's not worth half of what you actually paid. JMO.

If it's a good dog that the Germans would want, it stays unless you are willing to shell out big bucks- double digit thousands. If not, you get what they don't want, and you'll pay mid single digit thousands for it, LOL. I'm sure there are exceptions in some cases where you can get dogs cheaper, but not young, excellent quality dogs, unless you go there yourself and have very good contacts.

I was answerin your question:

nod directed to me, just a question I was agreeing with you.

"From the outside looking in, would YOU sell your best dogs to the US? I wouldn't."

Ok, I just read it like you thought I meant would you sell your particular dog, and I was talking about good dogs in general.

Is the title of the threat not "The truth about SOME imported dogs"?
Should it not end there? Especially when it is not about anyone in particular so that others may use it for research before doing business?