black/red x black/red = sable puppy??????

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by Nancy on 26 March 2009 - 23:03

Not a single OFA either. Whoa this is as bad as it gets!

I must admit, her sires pedigree in 7 generations has TWO titled dogs in the 7th generation and I am not sure HOW she claims her dogs have the referenced lines they have when the last generation is "no information about" -

You know if you are going to claim that your dog carries certain "Lines", wouldn't that imply some linebreeding somewhere in the pedigree within the first five generations?

THIS is her main stud.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/7/586653.html

If you think this expose is an advertisement for you kennel think again.

I love this - uh yes - some dogs in the middle of the 7th generation carries a male tale line back to Horand - anybody else here that has a dog that does has such a complete pedigree ?

"You can trace his family tree all the way to back to the very first German Shepherd , Horand Von Grafrath"

Our puppies come from CHAMPION GERMAN
BLOODLINES

Call a spade a spade - why not just say what you are, A BYB who does not work or title or OFA their dogs and breeds what they figure are nice pets out of their own pet dogs - and charge $300 a pop - or better yet get them all spayed and neutered..

by oso on 26 March 2009 - 23:03

If both of the parents are definitely black and red either Dox or Nancy are correct - the puppy is a blue or the mother had a secret lover!

by yellowrose of Texas on 26 March 2009 - 23:03

sables don't come from black/red x black/red parents. One of the dogs involved is not black/red..you are the one that needs to go dna a pair of dogs. A high school drop out that studies Sable genes will know that. Not gonna happen..Sable is not a mutation nor a recessive so it can't go traveling...You have a traveling salesman in your kennel..not a sable gene out of place..Someone did not identify the mom or dad correctly, if no sable male or female involved. The pic you posted the other day in a sable thread was not a sable. Post the pedigree of this sable pup or dog you are posting this thread about. Please. We are all in the dark as to what you are calling a sable product. Post a pic of the two parents also.

If you have such a product , you better register it in the Book of New Discoveries..what is it called Ginnus book of World Records, or Ripley's Believe it or Not???

by Mystere on 26 March 2009 - 23:03

You call everyone else idiots and morons, when you are clearly just a BYB trying to drag in the unaware with a carny trick?

You joined this forum recently, apparently thinking it was full of pet folks you could mislead and ....got a surprise, didn't you?

You clearly operated under the misapprehension that everyone else here was actually stupider than you are...and not only found out otherwise, you were exposed for the Quack BYB that you are.

Go back to Puppyland where you belong.

by grgtwnbaxley on 26 March 2009 - 23:03

I DID NOT SAY I HAD A SABLE PUPPY FROM TWO BLK/TAN PARENTS IN MY KENNELS. CAN YOU IDIOTS NOT READ? I WAS ONLY RESPONDING TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS POSTED. AGAIN READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM TALKING TO A BUNCH OF SCHOOL KIDS ON THE PLAYGROUND WITH YOUR BULLIES THAT CAN NOT EVEN READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD GOD IS THERE ANY SANITY IN THESE FORUMS? I AM SO SORRY THAT I EVEN POSTED. KELLY I AM SO SORRY FOR THIS BUT NOBODY HAS ADDRESSED MY EXAMPLES . A SABLE CANNOT BE A MUTATION? ALL COLORS CAN BE MUTATIONS. PLEASE KINDLY DOCUMENT THAT STATEMENT THAT "SABLES CANNOT BE MUTATIONS" I SAID THAT YOU CANNOT BREED A BLK/TAN UNTIL THE END OF TIME AND A COLOR MUTATION WILL NOT APPEAR AND "POSSIBLY" GET A SABLE OUT OF THE RESULT OR ANY OTHER COLOR COMBINATION. PROVE ME DIFFERENT AS THE END OF TIME HAS NOT HAS HAPPENED YET.

by Nancy on 26 March 2009 - 23:03

Every last example of "strange things happen" that you gave is explainable by simple genetics and the order of dominance of the various color patterns. The exception is the frankendogs with the tri color which is apparently a genetic something or other.

Color is easy. What is not easy is the polygenetic factors that contribute to Hip Dysplasia. Something none of your breeding stocks seems to have been screened for.

by yellowrose of Texas on 26 March 2009 - 23:03

Uran Wildsteigerland has the blue factor in his genes...so maybe you have a BLUE not a Sable.

by Mystere on 26 March 2009 - 23:03

grgtwnbaxley,

Apparently, your word means nothing.

by gagsd4 on 27 March 2009 - 00:03

I may be wrong but I don't think grgtwnbaxley is the owner/breeder of the sable pup out of two blk/red adults.

Maybe grgtwnbaxley got involved because he/she breeds whites and got sable puppies in the litter??? As has been pointed out though, whites are VERY different than the "regular" colors when it comes to genetics. If you get sable pups from a white bitch bred to a bi-color male, then you know the white bitch is genetically a sable, just has 2 copies of the white masking gene.

--Mary

by cktoone on 27 March 2009 - 00:03

Damn! It's too late, I already neutered my male. If only I would have learned sooner that I could have bred him claiming champion lines because he has Uran 7 generations ago. I could have made a fortune in my backyard. Oh well, live and learn I suppose. And all along I thought that there was much more to responsible breeding.

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