Can someone explain me what this master trainer and master decoy are doing ?? - Page 8

See Gigante...you're proving my point. You can't even come close to looking at my post objectively because of a couple of run-ins we've already had on this forum. You're too hell-bent to prove me wrong to even open up your thick skull and figure out what I'm saying.

Can't have an honest conversation? My whole post is about how we are able to be WAY MORE HONEST with each other when it's anonymous. When you don't have to worry about being attacked personally or having any real world repercussions to your opinion, you can speak much more freely and honestly.

I've read some of the old threads and posts on this forum...from before I was around. There were some very big name people on this forum before. I can guarantee you they got a lot more flack and a lot more honest opinions from people on this forum than they ever would've in real life. Why? In real life, small peons don't dare question the experienced masters.

I am sorry I have no clue what this frame below is all about. 

I think you can post under any name you want but I also think   that  if you are attacking others  and still   insist on anonymity, then  you are a coward.



As far as swarnendu asking me for list of dogs I have trained .I'll ask nicely. ARE YOU NUTS!? You think I am going to post "list " of names of my customers and their dogs here on this forum!!? I may be crazy but not stupid. However I have posted several videos of dogs I have basically trained from scratch and am still training I have titled dogs in PSA and competed on the highest national level ,... that have been discussed> I have done that just to shut people like you up. Look it up.  So why don't you look at those. I have made living training people's and LE and PP and security companies dogs for living for decades. Most of them from scratch.I have started first non profit S&R in Wyoming and trained and worked with well over 100 dogs over there. That was in 1980ties. I also train and fix dogs of other trainers  and LE agencies mistakes .  My dogs actually work all over. I do not have much use for fun of sport except as a learning experience. So you really think that there are no dogs I have trained? SMH. But you truly think that I am going to post those here for bunch of hate schlaks like you? Who are you anyway?  

How many dogs you have trained? Why don't we see any videos of you  training dog? This applies to many others.

Bavarian Im not grudging you. I don't hell bent on proving right, wrong.. for hell bents sake. Im not even hellbending. Yes I cant agree with the position that learning is faster and I will be more honest, if I wear a chewbaca mask in class. ;)

Theres no inflection key on the keyboard so some of my smartass humor does not flow through properly. But I would share my lunch with you and your welcome to sit with my hardhead at that next seminar.

I said I agree it might be benificial for some to ask questions that way and get involved in conversation. On that we agree. I also agree with you to argue the comment not the credentials I have said it similary a zillion times here. Bring it in for hug now. 

 

 

 

Oh one more thing for swarnendu . Have you ever heard of Czech dogs, z Pohranicni straze dogs=Czech border patrol dogs? You know why you have  heard of them? Because if it would not be for me then they would be gone. Put down , dispersed destroyed by atrition after communism died in Czechoslovakia. No I am not too humble about it. I am proud of it. So you go ahead and keep trolling from your keyboard.

Prager said: "
As far as swarnendu asking me for list of dogs I have trained .I'll ask nicely. ARE YOU NUTS!? You think I am going to post "list " of names of my customers and their dogs here on this forum!!? I may be crazy but not stupid. However I have posted several videos of dogs I have basically trained from scratch and am still training I have titled dogs in PSA and competed on the highest national level ,... that have been discussed> I have done that just to shut people like you up. Look it up. So why don't you look at those. I have made living training people's and LE and PP and security companies dogs for living for decades. Most of them from scratch.I have started first non profit S&R in Wyoming and trained and worked with well over 100 dogs over there. That was in 1980ties. I also train and fix dogs of other trainers and LE agencies mistakes . My dogs actually work all over. I do not have much use for fun of sport except as a learning experience. So you really think that there are no dogs I have trained? SMH. But you truly think that I am going to post those here for bunch of hate schlaks like you? Who are you anyway?

How many dogs you have trained? Why don't we see any videos of you training dog? This applies to many others."

This is interesting. Anyone who is new to this type of dog and its training needs to carefully read the above. Take note not of what is written but what ISN'T written. What isn't written is what you want to know before you allow a dog which you have not only have a financial investment in but an emotional one as well, in addition to a moral obligation. But Prager refuses to let us know who these people he has helped are. Who these K9 cops are. Who these government agencies are. Let's say for the sake of argument he has been sworn to secrecy (IMO it's not true) then what are we left with? His word. Is that enough for you to trust him with your dog, your friend, he that is your responsibility? Is that enough to trust him with your money and time? This just doesn't go for Prager but for anyone. Ask your MD to show you his license to practice medicine and his medical degree. You don't even have to because they are in plain site. Your doc doesn't ask you to take his word for it.

But let's assume, again for the sake of argument, that Prager cannot disclose any of this very pertinent information. Like I said, that leaves us with his word. I'll tell you why that is not good enough for me because I did not come to that conclusion on a whim. I went to his forum. I've read this one and others. I see K9 officers and cops who can verify they are K9 officers and cops who have issues with Prager's "training" and his ideas on training. They have issues with his claims of training dogs for LEOs saying they are untrue. Now, the expected response from Prager will be that they don't know. They are jealous. It's sour grapes. It's that they are too stuck in their ways to accept his differing views on training. There will be all sorts of excuses for them having issues with Prager. In fairness, let us say he is right. The problem is, why aren't we reading posts from cops defending Prager? You would think that if they are so satisfied with what Prager did for them they would rush to his defense. So Prager will call these people haters and losers, yes he will use those actual words as he already has, but why doesn't he have defenders? I'm talking defenders similar to his detractors. That is cops. What cops are defending him? When it comes to law enforcement professionals he only has "haters." Prager will mention how he provided dogs for this or that agency and maybe that is true as he is a dog broker but the question is, has he trained any of them?

This is what the new people need to be aware of. If the very people who Prager claims to train dogs for are criticizing him then does it make sense he is actually training them? There is a thread on here where Prager states, as fact, that many K9s are failing in the street (because of sport oriented training). This is a "fact" that is in reality hearsay. An actual police officer who has more first hand experience than Prager, Prager isn't a cop nor K9 handler and never was, asked him to provide evidence of this since in her first and experience she hasn't seen it. This police officer is also a dog trainer who can verify the dogs she has titled.

Which brings us to his claim about PSA. As far as I know he has shown that he titled ONE dog, not dogs. One dog out of the supposed hundreds he has trained. And even then it isn't clear if he trained the dog or just held the leash.

So no Prager. I won't call you a liar but I will say, based on the factual evidence I have and don't have (because you refuse to give it), that you are not someone whose word alone is enough.

Finally I must respond to this from Prager: " Have you ever heard of Czech dogs, z Pohranicni straze dogs=Czech border patrol dogs? You know why you heard about them? Because if it would not be for me then they would be gone. Put down , dispersed after communism died in Czechoslovakia. No I am not too humble about it. I am proud of it. "

To the new people out there, there is no proof for this claim. Have any of you been to the country formerly known as Czechoslovakia? Maybe some of you have, I don't know. I would bet most haven't. How are we supposed to know if he actually saved them from "extinction?" Let's see, Prager came here in the 80s. Czechoslovakia still existed. What contributions was he making to the GSDs there? After the Velvet Revolution was Prager over there rescuing dogs? Is he trying to take credit for what both Jiris did? If it wasn't for Prager they would never have created Jinopo and the dogs would have been dispersed? It's amazing what Prager could do for the Czech Rep all the way from the USA. Look at the timeline. In the 80s he claims to have been in WY working with SAR dogs. The Velvet Revolution was in 1989. How did he find time to rescue these dogs? Were both Jiris just sitting on their hands waiting for Prager to rescue them too? Maybe Prager helped them but IMO he is taking way more credit than he's due. All the way from the USA, someone who has admitted he was broke, was able to prevent the new government in the Czech Rep from killing or getting rid of all of its dogs. Prager prevented a GSD Holocaust in the Czech Rep?

Speaking of Jinopo, go to their website. They have no problems showing dogs they bred, any titles they earned, and who they have sold them to. Including military clients.

@Noitsyou: Just because I termed your tactics Goebbelsian, you tried to tear me up and now you are saying you were not angry?!!

You again posted a "Friends, brothers & countrymen" in response to Gigante and you still think my analogy was incorrect?

Have you seen the Prager posts aimed at me and how do differentiate your post from his ?!!

You both are the two sides of the same coin, so you just never meet.

One more thing @Prager. You claim that people who remain anonymous are cowards. Let me ask you, and believe me I know the answer, have you ever threatened anyone online before? Including physical violence? IMO, that is a real coward or at least in America we see it that way. I don't know how people from foreign countries feel about it. Hiding behind a screen name is a lot different than making threats from behind a keyboard.

@swarnendu, you compare me to Goebbels but I am the one tearing you up? And sorry but they are not Goebbelesque. He said repeat a LIE long enough. What lie am I repeating? It's a simple question. If you can't answer then maybe you should accept that your analogy was wrong. Repetition is not Goebellesque. Repetition of a lie is. Goebbels also had something to sell: mass murder. I am not selling anything. I'm asking that those who sell act less like Goebbels.

If I made a friends, brothers, countrymen post then shouldn't I be compared to Mark Antony?

@Prager: From which of my posts did you deduce that I may have any videos to show you, or I may have any dog training experience, or I may have any dog worth showing?

Why it cannot be that I just requested for some proof so that I can try to follow your methods for training my own dogs !?!

I honour your decision not to provide a list of dogs, because you have the right to do so, and for me you are NOT "guilty until proven otherwise", no matter what others say.

I don't believe my opinion matters to you....