David, I have read the post that you have referred to and Jantie, does not say anything about Harley himself. His comment “Don’t mate your females to Harley” is because of the fraud relating to Jaguar and the comment can be applied to all of Jaguar’s offspring. Perhaps Jantie’s warning on the use of this dog would have been better served had he gone on to say “before you check the results of as many of Jaguar’s offspring as possible”. Breeders would then be in a better position to decide whether to use the dog, or, not depending on their findings. The added problem apart from transmission is that a fraudulent act to deceive has be carried out. That in itself raises the obvious question “is there anything else?” behind all of this. Personally speaking as a breeder, I would not use any animal, or, their offspring which is the subject of a current investigation for something which can be detrimental to the breed. Further, I would not buy stock that had Jaguar in the bloodline at least until everything had been decided by the proper procedure and, then, only if it satisfied the criteria for such a purchase.

Mackenzie

 

 

G'day all

My first post. In the GSD world, I represent the bottom of the chain - the consumer!

Over the past 35 years, I have had the pleasure of knowing only three GSDs - all well-bred - the first was born in 1975, the second was born from the first, and the third was born in 2001. I have never been a member of a dog club, and do not intend to ever join one. I am now looking for my fourth loyal and noble companion who I intend to cherish and admire from puppy-hood to death in no less than 10 years.

I salute Jantie as a protector of the millions of people like me.

(And I cannot understand the attitude of others who would put so much blind faith in some far-away committee that is clearly failing to uphold the standard.)

Sick'em Jantie :)

Jantie, you now show you do not even understand what slander is. I am not surprised. Of course you will have your followers. There are many people who enjoy Barackroom lawyers, lynch mob mentality and controversy in any form, but only when it applies to someone else. NEVER when such behaviour is directed at themselves.

All this back slapping is fine and dandy but what if..........?

I would assume (could be wrong) that the jury needs to come back before we hang the scoundrels. I hope I never have to face a jury of people who cannot see past their convictions and their preconceived notions. In America you are innocent until proven guilty AND nothing is final till the judge passes sentence. Sadly, it appears it does not work like this in the dog world. Shameful and it speaks to the people who would hang someone before the final sentencing/ruling.

*walks away, glad Jantie is not my judge or jury*

BTW, I am referring to Harley not Jaguar.

(Admin) A perfect summary. 
If their speculation proves correct, they will gloat.
If it is wrong, they will be silent.
Either way tThe SV FINAL DECISIONS/RAMIFICATIONS on this whole saga, is not yet made. That is what matters

This is the 2nd SV announcement -

Important information! (Addendum to news item „Aktuell 01/12“)

Officials in Sweden have x-rayed the dog „Team Marlboro Jaguar“ (sire of the Sieger in the 18 – 24 months males on the SV-Bundessiegerzuchtschau 2011) for a second time and it was determined that the dogs on the initial and on the second x-ray are identical.

Therefor the result of „mittlere ED“(mid-level ED) that was awarded initially, is to be considered binding and the result that was awarded in Germany must be revoked. For this reason the V-rating awarded on last year’s Siegershow as well as the breed survey for this male have to be revoked.

We will inform you promptly about possible ramifications following this process.  

Sincerely yours
SV-Hauptgeschäftsstelle
(SV-Main office)

The fraud with putting another dog on the screening table is the only thing that still needs to be evaluated/scrutinized.

There is but one sentence in the breeding regulations that needs to be applied: "NO parents with rotten hips or elbows!"
A complete breed ban (Nachzuchteintragungssperre) for all of the progeny of Jaguar in the SV-breeding book will go into effect, have a break, and you will soon read it everywhere. So: Harley will NOT stud!
We will gloat, yes! Of course we will.

And in case I didn't mention it before, or you did not take notice if it, Meyer will be gone sooner, than David can write the word slander. Take a note!
Only question remaining: Who will judge in his place?

(Jantie: Whispering, shaking his head: "Why do they keep repeating this SV-statement? And how huge is their denial?")

This has relevance here.

And so it begins.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/website-accused-of-defamation-is-closed-by-judge-3005716.html

I hope for all involved that the cyrstal ball is not wrong. Pretty soon, at least in America--threads like these will be gone. No website owner is going to risk a shut down over a members obsessions and misreporting or reporting that is so blindly slanted as to not wait for a final decision.

Sorry if this takes the thread off topic but I think it important that the drum bangers realize that some things may soon go bye bye.

Its already starting.........sorry for not keeping on topic........

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I suppose i,ll be slammed down by some on making this statement but in my humble opinion till breeders start being open about the genetic health issues that afflict animals they have bred,the breed will remain in the doldrums.Too many are sweeping these conditions in their stock under the carpet n info.is only made public when rumours start to pop up on here or other gsd forums n then the breeders decide to come clear.If we were to all admit we,ve bred animals that have had EPILEPSY,EPI,A.F.and some of the lesser evils ie.HD/ED then ppl.would be able to make a more informed choice of breeding partners.Sue you are absolutely correct,its disgusting to try n pull the wool over ppl.eyes n wots all in the name of YES MONEY,coz if its not then why do it.Carole Spelman.RHEINMEISTER GSDS (UK)

I will be delighted when more internet regulation comes into effect. FULL RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR OWN WORDS and appropriate penalties, regardless of excuses or personal intelligence problems. ACCOUNTABILITY MUST PREVAIL.

noddi - no slamming from me, your comment is no surprise, indeed its very predictable.

Clearly Jantie fails to understand what exactly Middle ED is!!!!!!