Ok, new here, interesting question/situation - Page 5

Joan, you misunderstood. I am not interested in arguing. Just reread what I wrote, please and read below, carefully. We're all on the same side, here. 

*I* admitted that you may have been harsh, but I didn't say I disagreed with your perspective. I was admitting that while you may have been harsh, your points were valid. Kitkat was being sarcastic, acting like people jumped on the OP for getting rid of Gunner when she divorced instead of "to make room for new females" and since you were the one being hardest on the OP, I was defending you that I have never heard of you getting rid of a dog just to make room for a new money-making female. I did not say Kitkat accused you of that. I simply said since I had never known you to do that, I thought the comment was displaced in this thread. That's all...I think you're over-reacting. JMHO. 

Yeah, OK. Hardest on the op, so I take it all back. The op can go support any byb on Craig's list she wants. Who cares.

So working line dogs are ALL from bybs??? He was from working lines.. the man I got him from told me of the history of work the dam and sire did. There is no way for you to conclude gunners issues were strictly genetic issues. You are speculating to make your Ill-gotten rant come off more valuable. Sadly you have attempted to take over a post with your tyrannical venting, instead of making your point clear and educational, you chose to rage about your opinions in a self-richeous over kill of lewd remarks.

And can I ask where I said the breeder was a craigslist breeder? ?? Never. Sigh... everyone picks and chooses what they want to read in my posts. So why do I bother? Education would have been ONE thing. This has turned into something else. I have handled various breeds and worked with dogs for years. Oh well.. i guess I am some idiot.. incapable of making a judgement call on whether to purchase a puppy from a breeder once found. I had planned to find said breeder and look further into their facility/kennels.. i thought perhaps this breeder was not 100% technologically savvy. And therefore perhaps their information was not fully uploaded and available on this site.. or I the fact I am new to the site and not sure how to fully operate it. My mistake here? Taken my break time at work and asking for help I guess. I never said everyone who responded with an alternative was bashing me.. i did not like being a target to the few who felt it necessary to outline me in such a bad light... points could have been made in a more helpful manner .. smh.. oh well..

Alrighttttttttt OP.

Just because the dog is *supposedly* working lines does not mean that he did not come from a BYB. Working lines does NOT mean the breeding is of quality. There are poor dogs of all varieties.

There is no way for YOU to conclude that his issues were/weren't environmental/genetic.

SO sorry that people who give a care about the GSD, and dogs in general aren't so supportive of your little journey to find the BYB so you can get another dog just like Gunner.

We are NOT discussing whether or not to go buy a used car down the road from a sketchy dealer, we are discussing buying a LIVING creature that is of the mercy of we humans decide. SO YES, let us all support a BYB so they continue to breed.

Sorry you feel the need to continuously pull the victim card here.

Sorry we are so "self-righteous". Some of us just hate to see BYBs and puppy mills pump out dogs like a toy factory.

Yes, let us support them so the dogs SUFFER. 

 

 

 

 

 

" I had planned to find said breeder and look further into their facility/kennels.." 

Yeah, to BUY another dog/puppy. Quit manipulating your intentions to fit being a victim.

If you are so experienced with dogs as you imply, then you should know about the poor ethics of BYBs and realize they wouldn't breed if they didn't have any CUSTOMERS.

We have to remember that we are discussing another LIFE here.

Sorry for the "harsh" rant, but a dog's welfare is worth defending.

'So working line dogs are ALL from bybs??? He was from working lines.. the man I got him from told me of the history of work the dam and sire did. There is no way for you to conclude gunners issues were strictly genetic issues. You are speculating to make your Ill-gotten rant come off more valuable. Sadly you have attempted to take over a post with your tyrannical venting, instead of making your point clear and educational, you chose to rage about your opinions in a self-richeous over kill of lewd remarks.'

That ^^^ post by you, op, makes it clear you simply haven't understood anything that has been said to you.

lewd remarks? Really? No one 'concluded gunner's issues were 'strictly genetic'. You were advised to consider the possibility. You still never answered my questions. Like how did a dog that had to wear a muzzle when in the company of his family show loyalty? If he's couldn't be trusted without a muzzle in his own family's presents, how was he 'loyal'? That's not a rant, I'm trying to learn how that works....BTW, being a sable dog doesn't make gunner a working dog, and being a working dog doesn't guarantee a sound temperament.

He didn't wear the muzzle for my family's safety. He had it on at the VET and once in the house when I had COMPANY over.. clearly outlined and stated before. So um where did I avoid your question? ? I didn't. I guess things had to be repeated because the answer was skipped over before... oh well. My mistske figuring people here would be friendly. :/ there is a right and a wrong way to handle people. Obviously some people here need to revisit lessons on manners... turn the situation around. Imagine you had posted something.. and were berated with the responses here.. accusations and comments portraying me the way it has. You would also feel personally attacked. Honestly it feels like I'm being defined in comments and remarks as an irresponsible , unintelligent , care - free person simply out to destroy the entirety of the gsd breed. Thanks. Don't worry I will not bother your meager minds again. Enjoy patting each other on the backs, if you run everyone off, your circle can remain small and meaningless. . Your goals will never succeed as it takes numbers to make a difference.. imagine the people seeing these posts who now won't want to post anything for fear of being ganged up on and bashed. If i could remove this thread I would as it only reflects badly on the overall attitude from the members :(.. the first few responses listed spiraled this post into a attack on me as a person... continously going after me for a post I had written on my break time. A limited amount of time I had, so I did not over scrutinize my wording and word choice to make sure it was sugar coated and specifically oriented as to not compromise anyone's highly sensitive emotional state.

Now YOU are overreacting. Nobody said one thing about you as a person or about your character. There are tons of puppies for sale on Craig's list, you don't need any advice from any one to go buy one. Good luck.

CKK you say you don't go in for 'sugar coating' ... point is, neither do we.