Long stock coats- I need some clarification - Page 1

Last I heard, in 2010 the SV established a separate registry for the LSC.  Under the SV they were shown in separate rings in both Germany and the US. Does this still hold true?

Still true

AKC has only 1 registry for German Shepherds. I believe long stock coat GSD's are considered a fault in conformation AKC shows.

SV conformation shows in America is the same as in Germany, 1 class for stock coats and another for long stock coats.

So under the SV they never compete in the same ring here in the US, right? On a GSD FB page a couple of people are saying that they now compete together in the US and have witnessed this, but I cant help thinking they are confused, which is why I asked about it here.

Sounds like they really are "confused".
Coats do have their own classes, and that´s okay in my opinion.

AKC and UKC they are shown in the same ring.
SV and FCI they are shown in separate rings.


If the context of the conversation is about showing in America, it would depend on the type of show they are in.

They were saying the LSC and SC were shown in the same ring in SV conformation classes.

I know the AKC doesn't offer separate classes, but I know nothing about the UKC. Does the UKC consider a LSC a minor fault?

The long stock coats are allowed in the German show ring, they are shown in different classes than the stock coated German Shepherds.  They are SV registered through the same registry just like the stock coats but they are delienated on their paperwork as long stock coats.  Yes shown in different classes.  So for example you would have the 4-6 puppy male stock coat and 4-6 puppy male long coat class.  The long stock coat is not a fault in the Germany ring, they just have separate classes from the stock coats.  The long stock coat German Shepherds can recieve a breed survey and a show rating just like the stock coated shepherds in the German Ring now.  This was not always the case.   I cannot say about AKC or UKC. Maybe some who is familiar with those rings can clarify.  

The 'German way' described is basically what we are now following in the UK,
too.  But an argument rages that actually there is nowhere in the SV/FCI Standard
that says they cannot be shown in the SAME classes, as they go under the SAME
Surveys.  Or that it is actually a Fault  (although some versions in the past, notably
our KC Standard, have called it 'undesirable' - not the same thing).

A couple of clubs have tried putting on classes at their shows where it is
'all in' - but two things happened so far:  
1 They got few entries  (we don't get a lot in separate classes, at 'real' Shows either,
although that has begun to improve;  they all still go to the non-qualifying 'companion'
shows mainly run by the Whites & Long Coats Society !);
2  Many [not all] Judges tend to be - like AKC's I suspect - so inculcated into the long-
held view that any length of coat outside the Stock is a Fault,  they mostly don't give the
LSH entries a fair "crack o' the whip" and they get placed at the bottom of the line up.
Even if otherwise better dogs than the winners !

When registering a German Shepherd with AKC is there even a way to do so and show the COAT? ...Stock...Long...Plush....?

~Bob~